What idea are you talking about? They are not your classic founders coming up with an idea to join Y combinator. They build OpenAI for many years, they know what to do.

It won't be hard for them to hire researchers and engineers, from OpenAI or other places.

Questions like this makes me wonder if you are a troll. I won't continue this thread.

Being able to hire researchers and, even the top talent doesn't guarantee that they'll be the top company or even succeed at what they're building.

This is what I referred as "Cargo Cult AI". You can get the money, but money is not the only ingredient needed to make things happen.

edit: Looks like they won't have a brand new company next week, but joining an existing one.

Case in point: Google and Bard.

Nothing can guarantee that. Investors always accept risk.

He has a better chance than some other random guy who was not the CEO of OpenAI.

> He has a better chance than some other random guy who was not the CEO of OpenAI.

Yes, but that doesn't mean it's enough. Not every random guy who wasn't the CEO of OpenAI is about to start an AI company (though some probably are).

It's quite possible an AI company does need a better vision than "hire some engineers and have them make AI".

> It's quite possible an AI company does need a better vision than "hire some engineers and have them make AI".

Seems like all these "business guys" think that's all it takes.

They often do. That doesn't make them right. There's probably going to be a massive AI bubble similar to what we've seen with cryptocurrencies and NFTs, and after that bubble pops, AI will probably end up discredited for a decade before it picks up again. It's happened before.

Let's see whether Satya Nadella's bet on that risk will pay or not. Chance is a "biased random" in the real world. Let's see whether his bias is strong enough to make a difference.

Are you talking about OpenAI or about Sam Altman's hypothetical new company?

OpenAI already had the best technology fully developed and in production when Microsoft invested in them.

I believe "cargo cult" means something quite different to how you're using it.

It's not "cargo cult" to consider someone's CV when you hire them for a new job. Sam Altman ran a successful AI company before and he most likely can do it again if provided enough support and resources.

> Are you talking about OpenAI or about Sam Altman's hypothetical new company?

About him and Greg joining to Microsoft.

> I believe "cargo cult" means something quite different to how you're using it.

I don't think so.

Tribes believed that building wooden air strips or planes would bring the goods they have seen during wartime.

People believe that bringing Altman will bring the same thing (OpenAI as is) exactly where it's left off.

Altman is just tip of the iceberg. Might have some catalyst inside him, but he's not the research itself or the researcher himself.

OpenAI did not invent the transformer architecture. It was not their original research, but they implemented it well. Sam Altman led the company that implemented and executed it. Deep learning is not a secret. It just needs a lot of resources to be executed properly. OpenAI doesn't have any secret methods unknown to the rest of the AI community. They have strong engineering and execution. It is certainly within the CEO's power to influence that.

I don't claim that OpenAI will be the same without Sam, but Sam will be powerless without OpenAI.

What I say is, both lost their status quo (OpenAI as the performer, Sam as the leader), and both will have to re-adjust and re-orient.

The magic smoke has been let out. Even if you restore the "configuration" of OpenAI with Sam and all employees before Friday, it's almost impossible to get the same company from these parts.

Again, Sam was part of what made OpenAI what it is, and without it, he won't be able to perform the same. Same is equally valid for OpenAI.

Things are changing, it's better to observe rather than dig for an entity or a person. Life is bigger than both of them, even when combined.

> but Sam will be powerless without OpenAI

Sam will be leading a new division at Microsoft. He will do alright now that he has access to all of the required resources.

> better to observe rather than dig for an entity or a person

Yes agreed. I don't know much about Sam personally and don't care. OpenAI itself has not made any fundamental breakthroughs in AI research. AI is much bigger than these two.