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If I understand correctly, the have taught Siri nothing. What you see is task list synchronization between the iPhone and RTM.

You talk to Siri -> Siri creates a task -> Task is synced to RTM



This comment demonstrates everything that has come to exhaust me about Hacker News.

There are myriad things to praise about this community, to be certain, but the only place with a bigger stick up its collective ass is Wikipedia.


I don't think this applies for this comment, I mean, the title suggests teaching something to an AI, which in the case of Siri would open a lot of very interesting options, I'm sure I'm not the only one who expected something along those lines and was disappointed. "RTM Siri setup instructions" is a less attractive title though.


I've seen the word "teach" used to talk about setting up or programming a computer on many occasions before. It's completely appropriate. I can see why you'd be disappointed but that's not a reason to complain.


The headline would be fine in a magazine article or a tech-light site like Lifehacker.

But, because of Siri's architecture, telling a forum of hackers that you've "taught it" to do something is a wildly different thing.

Hackers click that headline because they're interested in the possibility space where you can integrate arbitrary third party apps.

And when they discover that your headline is a semantic game --that the implicit promise of the headline is a lie-- I don't know how you could expect anything other than complaints.


I upvoted because I completely agree.

But then I thought about it, and isn't this also an example of a hack in it's purest sense?


When I saw the headline my first reaction was: What? Unbelievable, this sounds too good to be true, but maybe the guys from RTM really found a way to do that.

When I clicked on the link I realized it has not much to do with Siri and is just about synching other iPhone apps.

Last time I checked, there was nothing sticking up my ass, but I do come to HN because it is different from Lifehacker, BusinessInsider or HuffPo. Nevertheless I do have to admit that it is a brilliant marketing move. They even started a heated discussion on HN :-)

So to extend my comment from a hacker perspective I felt tricked.

From the perspective of an online marketer I have to admit it is a brilliant move.


Maybe you just need to be more cynical. :) I saw the headline, thought, yeah, they figured out some way to connect it, and got pretty much what I expected.


Now, see, what a much more human and interesting way to express that. Contrast that with the wearisome hauteur of

> the have taught Siri nothing.

Not that having some jackass (me) be the arbiter of what's a nice way to say things is any improvement either, but I'm just saying.


This is what I love about HN. A little heat to a discussion creates more insight instead of a flame war.


I agree with you about a lot of things, but this isn't one of them.

That title implies a number of things. Personally, I read it and thought "RTM managed to jailbreak Siri and teach it how to interact with a third-party API!!"

That was a very disappointing click-through because that's one misleading title, dude.


I think the problem is sometimes people try to find a way to comment. Generally unless someone is outright wrong or lying I tend to just not upvote something that wasn't very interesting. Starting an argument in a comment thread can be a great place for Karmawhores to get some action.


"but the only place with a bigger stick up its collective ass is Wikipedia."

Slashdot


Score: 5, Insightful


It could still be useful for other developers to realise that CalDav might be a good integration point with Siri


Before: Siri doesn't send tasks to RTM.

After: Siri sends tasks to RTM.

Seems pretty reasonable to me. Is your quibble with the word "taught"? That seems pretty minor.


Siri isn't sending anything to anyone. I think that's his point. Siri added a task to a calendar, just like she has always "known" how to do.


Yep. Simple CalDav sync from the calendar. Nothing is new on the Siri end.


You tell Siri to add a task, and then it shows up in this other thing. You can quibble about just which entity is doing the sending, but that seems even more pointless than quibbling over "taught".


My quibble isnt with the word "taught", but rather with the overall wording conveyed in the title. As it is now, it seems to suggest that they've uncovered a hidden API where you can add custom grammars to Siri. A more accurate title would be, "RTM can sync with your iphone calendar". It really has little to do with Siri itself. Any calendar task will be synced, not just ones created by Siri.


in my opinion, "taught" seems to imply that siri can actively learn. though siri is an intelligent agent which does speech recognition (firmly planting it in the world of AI), i am under the impression that siri does not actively learn and so saying "taught" in the context of speaking about an AI could be construed as misleading. i could be mistaken about whether siri can do "learning" or not, as i'm not intimately familiar with the tech.


Why it didn't send task to RTM before is something that needs investigation. Probably a task <-> RTM synchronization failure.


My word - taught or not taught it's a nice piece of function - I do wish that people wouldn't nitpick so much


Actually, Siri is creating a calendar event, and syncing that to RTM.

They aren't claiming to have taught Siri to add events... They're claiming to have integrated with RTM.

I suspect there might be an issue with having a calendar AND a task list both, though... Like, you can't.


They aren't claiming to have taught Siri to add events

From the article: "we had to teach Siri to add tasks to Remember The Milk [...] and we're super excited to announce that we've done just that!"


"to Remember The Milk"

If you leave out that bit, then you're correct, they were claiming they taught Siri to add events. But that bit is important.


Do you also have a problem with marketing that says "we're revolutionizing the XYZ industry" by arguing over the use of the word "revolutionizing"?

While technically they haven't "taught" anything, I think you're also blowing it out of proportion.

Its a creative hack, clean to setup, and useful for their users.




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